A Subway store manager wanted to invent a great new sub sandwich recipe – one that would make customers sing for joy and become regular patrons.
After considerable thought, he concocted an ingenious invention – a system for discovering a great recipe. Here’s how he did it.
He made a computer program to create random sub sandwich recipes, using random combinations of all the ingredients in the store. He offered customers to try the sandwiches for half price, as long as they were willing to score the sandwich afterwards.
After the customers rated the sandwiches, the computer program threw out the bad recipes and kept the good ones. It made small random changes to the ingredients in the “good” recipes, and created a new list of recipes. Then the new recipes were tried on customers.
This repeated over several weeks. Gradually, the recipes got better, and customers scored them higher and higher. Eventually, the store manager was very happy to pick a winning recipe. The new sub sandwich went on sale, marketed as the “Subway Evolution”.
So, was this evolution? Well, this is a fast-food example of “genetic programming” that has been used in engineering fields, such as for designing a good digital filter. It contains several aspects of evolution. It has “genetic variation” of a sort. It has natural selection and survival of the fittest. Hooray – it’s evolution!
But it has limitations. For example, would the manager’s system ever produce a cake recipe? No, because the potential ingredients were limited to the store’s sub sandwich ingredients list. Would it ever invent a delicious new sauce? Not possible.
This system is a practical allegory of evolution with hard boundaries – a system that can produce the “fittest” sub sandwich but that’s all.
The question is, does the natural world work like this, or can evolution continue without bounds? Darwin observed variation in finch populations as conditions changed. Evolutionists say evolution is that process just carried on over longer periods of time. But creationists say the variations he saw were within the normal scope of genetic variation in the population. The finches always had a range of beak sizes in their genetic scope, and the varying weather conditions “selected” some beak sizes as being fitter for given conditions. Furthermore, were genetic mutations needed to vary the average beak sizes? It’s more likely that only the normal genetics of sexual reproduction were involved.
Evolutionists will argue that macroevolution is certainly possible and observed, by defining macroevolution as anything that produces “speciation” – the appearance of a new species. But that is just dodging the heart of the issue on a technicality. The definition and cause of “speciation” is complicated. The Bible talks about animals being made “after their kind” (Genesis 1:24). A “kind” could be a broader category than “species”, perhaps representing the complete genetic scope for variation through breeding in a population of animals. For example, tigers and lions are distinct species, but have demonstrated the ability to interbreed. Perhaps many species of big cat fit into one Biblical “kind”. So while a population of animals could achieve what evolutionists call “speciation”, the extent of variation could still be limited by what the Bible calls “kind”.
So as a creationist, I say this: God created animals with scope for genetic variation. But that variation has boundaries, and animals can’t go beyond those boundaries. No matter how much time you give it, the store manager’s system will never give you a chocolate cake recipe. No matter how much time you give it, Darwin’s finches will never turn into lizards.
But what about mutations? Don’t they provide genuine “new genetic material”, allowing a population to move beyond the bounds of what it can achieve through sexual reproduction? In the example of the Subway store, perhaps the computer could have a “glitch” thanks to a cosmic ray. Then instead of listing “mustard” it might ask for “mustare” or even better, “bustard”. As an embedded software engineer, my experience is that “glitches” are disastrous. At best, the software recovers gracefully. More likely it crashes so you have to cycle the power to get things going again. So in the world of genetics, are mutations any better, or do they just “mess things up”? As far as I can tell, genetic mutations are a disaster too. In many cases, the damage is “repaired” by the cell machinery. In some cases, the damage causes genetic diseases. But in no cases does a mutation create a genuine “new feature”.
In summary, sub sandwiches will always be sandwiches. Finches will always be finches.
- Microevolution of Darwin's Finches by TalkOrigins (evolutionist response to this sort of argument)
- Microevolution vs Macroevolution by TalkOrigins
i understand, but a bit generalized
i understand your feelings on sandwiches will always be sandwiches and where they come from - but i think you don't read in deep enough.
a sandwich won't immediately become a cake - that's not the way it works. they're too different for that. that's not to say that if you keep changing the sandwich it eventually won't be a sandwich - and whoever came up with confining this to a subway store immediately doomed the analogy. here's a better one:
a restaurant (no specific restaurant) wants to create a great new recipe. the cook starts with a sandwich (original species) and begins serving it to a select group of customers (call this the environment). based on the feedback from those customers (changes in environment/evolutionary pressures) the cook begins tweaking the recipe. he continues the proccess - here changing the meat from sliced ham to ground beef, there adding sauce and mushrooms (microevolution) until eventually he decides that the sandwich filling he has would be better as topping for a pasta. he gets rid of the bread and, after a transitional period, puts it over noodles. by adapting to his customer's demands, the chef came up with an entirely different dish than he started with. there's speciation for you.
from a biological perspective, the vast majority of mutations are, in fact, disastrous. every once in a blue moon, there's a beneficial mutation - maybe a mutation change in skin/fur color that makes camouflage much easier, and raises evasion from predators. it's these tiny little positive mutations, compounded over a multitude of generations, that create evolution.
Interesting analogy on
Interesting analogy on evolution. I've never heard of making something better like a sandwich be compared to evolution, but I guess it makes sense. We are currently studying the difference between an evolutionist and a creationist in bible study. It is very interesting to put a spin on why God created things the way that he did. If you are interested in doing a bible study on a particular topic, I know that there are plenty of websites like http://www.gospellight.com with materials for different age groups and topics.
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